In an interview with /Film, screenwriter Seth Grahame-Smith offered up a bit for of an explanation for the approach apparently taken with Dark Shadows. “The movie is a lot of different things, just like the soap opera was a lot of different things,” he explains. “We weren’t afraid to let Johnny [Depp] invent this character and be funny. If you were just going to do a straight forward soap opera for two hours, people would get bored. People want to be entertained. So I think we’ve found a great way to entertain people but also stay true to some of the origins of the series. To me it’s more of a harkening back to Sleepy Hollow or Beetlejuice Tim movies. It’s not as broadly family as Alice in Wonderland is, or Charlie and the Chocolate Factory, it’s a little darker than that. It’s very different, and it’s epic.”






diabolus
March 29, 2012
Second guessing an audience always works, doesn’t it? NOT
If I wanted to see Beetlejuice I would watch Beetlejuice.
Not as broad as Alice? Has he seen the trailers? I imagine the audience he thinks is incapable of sitting still for a serious/horror/romantic movie is also stupid.
This from a guy who raped Pride and Prejudice. Makes sense, I guess…
WTF.
Rob
March 29, 2012
One wonders how much broader his script could actually be, short of a whoopee cushion in Barnabas’ casket.
Kit Forbes
March 29, 2012
Apparently “2 hour soap opera” films such as Titanic and the Twilight series has escaped him.
Moron.
ForestLawn
March 29, 2012
I don’t know if anyone here has noticed it or pointed it out, but the official “Dark Shadows Movie” web site describes this film as a “gothic comedy”, so there’s probably no secret serious movie hidden behind the dopey trailer. At this point, I am kind of curious as to why they would bother to make a film called “Dark Shadows” in the first place if the whole idea was to produce a date movie for the 18-25 year old demographic who are presumably not interested in anything that predates the time when they got their braces. Why not just make “Son Of Beetlejuice”?
chris epstein
March 30, 2012
I’m just PO’d that after waiting all this time we’re getting this. There should be some kind of official page or boycott to let Warners know that the fans are unhappy. Then maybe some studio head will see that it might have worked as a gothic horror film rather than a stupid comedy…seriously, what I’ve seen isn’t even funny, it juvenile humor…very juvenile. How could this possibly work?
Patrick
March 30, 2012
hmm, he say’s audiences would be “bored” with Dark Shadows? and that a more faithful adaptation of the long-running, historic series might fail to be entertaining.
we’ll see how long his career lasts with such a very narrow vision of what viewers like to watch and such an obvious disrespect for the source-material he’s made a life out of appropriating and rewriting.
Rob
March 30, 2012
Mr. Burton’s future career is is no danger whatsoever. He’s an extraordinarily successful director and will continue making profitable (and occasionally entertaining) movies until he chooses to stop doing so. People enjoy the peculiar vision that he brings to his film projects – and he dutifully continues to give them pretty much what they expect.
It’s just incredibly unfortunate that he chose to turn this particular property into such an inane, lowbrow comedy, Had he approached it with the same sense of respect, wit and off-kilter character development that he brought to “Ed Wood,” EVERYBODY would be happy – the die-hard “Dark Shadows” fan base, the Burton aficionados AND the general movie-going public. This is a wasted opportunity of mind-boggling proportion.
Plus, he would’ve probably made a fanbtastic movie in the process.
Patrick
March 30, 2012
agree completely, Rob.
specifically, i was referring screenwriter Seth Grahame-Smith’s career, not Mr. Burton. this director will continue to enjoy a long and, hopefully, fruitful career.
although i’m disappointed that he appears to have turned Dark Shadows into a comedy, i’m expecting that i might still enjoy it as a piece of entertainment. must the way i enjoyed the 2009 reboot of Star Trek (by director J J Abrams).
it’s not comparable to it’s source-material, but offers new audiences the kind of fast-paced, simplified & hip versions of the originals.
Patrick Lynch
March 31, 2012
Comparing the DS movie to Star Trek 2009 is a very apt comparison. In both cases, the film severely polarised its fans before it came out. That polarisation continues to this day as the sequel is being made. I’m a fan of both series and found that against all hope to the contrary Star Trek 2009 was the sort of mash up I would have expected from Grahame-Smith. After all of the billing as NOT being “your father’s Star Trek” (given how old I am they mean people like me) and how “cool and original” it was going to be, the actual movie went to the two most tired wells of “my father’s Star Trek”–time travel and the revenge seeking villain. Nimoy gets reduced to playing the role of Basil Exposition, the whole thing ends up being Star Wars meets the Wrath of Khan meets Star Trek Nemesis. It was painful to watch. Even if I had never seen Star Trek before this, the story was more a collection of “isn’t this really cool?” set pieces than a story. I won’t be going to see the sequel.
Like Dark Shadows, in Abrams Trek there was more than a fair amount of supposedly paying homage to the original while finding ways to denigrate it before the film came out. Both movies were “made for everyone, not the fans” The so called “Easter eggs” spread throughout the movie were mostly insulting attempts at throwing middle aged fans like me some hush puppies. But, having said all of that, I had to go to the theater and see it once to know for sure what kind of movie it really was. Out of all the trailers for ST 2009, there was only one trailer that might have resembled the Star Trek I knew, the rest were dumb action movie trailers. That one lone trailer got me into the theater but it turned out that all the dumb action flick trailers were the accurate ones.
I’ve now seen four different Dark Shadows trailers. Each one of them barely give acknowledgement to the original serious nature of the TV show before launching headfirst into the yuk’em up comedy bits. I also just got my copy of Return to Collinwood, and my feeling is that when the original actors who appeared in the “Cameo” are going to be pretty upset when they see the finished product. Lara Parker alluded to “attempts at sly farce” in her chapter of the book and she didn’t come right out and say but I felt between the lines she wasn’t thrilled. I could also be wrong about that, I admit.
There have been movies over the years that have had fantastic trailers that were bad in reality and bad trailers for great films. I keep hoping that somehow there is a serious Dark Shadows movie with bits of humour and not the comedy the trailers are heavily pushing, but after the fourth trailer, I don’t think so anymore. The website for the film lists it as a Gothic comedy. I don’t want a Gothic comedy, I want a beautiful retelling of the core original story that shows everyone why all of the subsequent vampires in both TV and film owe Barnabas Collins a huge debt.
But, I won’t know for sure until I go and see it for myself. Instead of the excitement I originally felt, I now feel like someone who has heard a loved one has cancer but doesn’t know for sure until one has gone to the hospital to find out. Hope I’m wrong and it’s a great film, but my doubts are mounting.
Rob
March 31, 2012
Patrick – I guess the enormous difference that I see between the “Star Trek” reboot and Burton’s version of “Dark Shadows” is the fact that the new “Star Trek,” while significantly updated and streamlined for today’s audiences, wasn’t turned into a “Cracked” Magazine parody of the original source material like “Dark Shadows” appears by all evidence to have been. Can you imagine the uproar if the beloved character of Spock would have been treated with the same level of juvenile mockery that Barnabas Collins has been subjected to? If he would have been shown with Uhura’s panties through over his face or cleaning his Vulcan ears with a pointed Q-tip? The difference is that “Star Trek” was given a respectful, loving reworking that maintained the spirit and intent of the original, while “Dark Shadows” has been reduced to a sophomoric, embarrassing parody. I wish I could share your open-minded optimism, but in my opinion, this film is an insult to anyone who holds the story and history of “Dark Shadows” in their hearts.
Patrick Lynch
March 31, 2012
Rob, I respectfully disagree with your take on the new Star Trek. I didn’t see a movie that lovingly reworked the original. I saw a dumbed down version that slapped the original in the face. The relationship between Spock and Uhura, the transwarp beam in scene in the brewery that passed for engineering, the horrible exaggeration of Chekov’s accent etc, etc. felt to me that Star Trek had suffered the treatment you fear for Dark Shadows. I’m not the only person who saw it and felt that way, but a lot of people also disagreed about the movie and liked it very much. It perfectly illustrates how the same thing is playing out with Dark Shadows.
My open minded optimism admittedly is not without its doubts and fears. The latest trailer makes those doubts harder to fight but I keep trying. I keep hoping that the movie is better than its trailers. I’m hoping for a movie along the lines of The Woman in Black, done beautifully old school but fear Love At First Bite. I want to be wrong and it’s actually good. Won’t know until I go see it. If it’s bad, there will be no repeat viewings at the theater or DVD purchases. It’s got one chance and no more. Only saw Star Trek 2009 once in the theater. That was the first time I did not go back to see a Star Trek movie again in the theater. Even the weaker movies of the original casts got at least a second look.
Toby
March 31, 2012
JJ Abrams Star Trek will be a cinematic MASTERPIECE compare to the travesty of this film. I agree partly with what you said about AbramsTrek…but I didn’t think it was a bad film. And it was certainly better than the “Next Gen” films…aside from First Contact.
This DS film is a farce though…the trailers have convinced me to not see it and that’s a good thing because had I gone into the THEATER expecting a great gothic horror film and seen what I see in these trailers…I would have been apoplectic…LOL!!!
I certainly would have asked for my money back.
Anyone who thinks there’s a good film hidden somewhere amongst this crap is deluding themselves…
My advice? Save your money or donate it to charity…buy a homeless person lunch or something…LOL!
Patrick Lynch
April 1, 2012
I don’t think I’m deluding myself about this movie otherwise I would not have the aforementioned doubts, but I’ll decide for myself whether it’s a piece of crap or not by seeing the finished product. The most anyone will get out of me will be a matinee ticket or at one of the “dollar movie” second run places. If it’s as bad as we fear, I’ll have plenty to say about it then.
Toby
April 1, 2012
Patrick,
Sorry…perhaps “deluded” was too strong a word.
Trust me, I understand the inclination of some fans to hope for the best and take a chance on it. I wish I could be amongst those of you who feel that way.
But for me, with every trailer I saw the more angry and disappointed I became.
I’d give it a rent, probably — just out of morbid curiousity…
Patrick Lynch
April 2, 2012
Not to worry, no offense taken. If it turns out to be the movie we fear it is, I’ll never believe another word that comes out of the mouths of Burton and Depp or see anymore of their movies.
Rob
March 31, 2012
Patrick –
Point well taken. The biggest shame is that this was the last, best hope for a meaningful “Dark Shadows” revival in popular culture – at least for the foreseeable future and probably in our lifetime. Not only has this opportunity been squandered, but now the reputation of the entire franchise will have been lessened and tarnished in the eyes of a newer audience. They will forever associate “Dark Shadows” with zany sight gags and woefully unfunny jokes. Dan Curtis would be be mortified by what his closely protected legacy has been reduced to.
Jack
March 31, 2012
Greetings fellow lovers of Dark Shadows. I share the pain and frustration all of you have voiced so eloquently. Born in 1957, I’m an original fan of the original series. My friends and I all rushed home from school, abruptly suspended play, got chores and home workout of the way early, (cried literally when one of LBJ’s press conferences preempted the show) all to watch our beloved Dark Shadows.
I am not disappointed in this film, merely shocked. Long ago in its development I realized that this is exactly what the film with Burton and Depp,( whom I have never cared for and never will), would be. We have all been spoofed: From the vulgar Scooby-Doo cartoon Collinwood, to the Nosferatu fingernails of Depp’s revolting depiction of Barnabas, the Adam’s Family hideous decor and raiment, the schlocky Musnters music, bad Elvira Mistress of the Dark dialogue and outrageous Rocky Horror “art direction” – which is only suited to be viewed by the blind, and finally to the total elimination of everything wonderful about Dark Shadows except the names!
The real “horror’ will manifest itself only when and if this abomination proves successful at the box office. Here’s hoping it bombs big time!!!!
Toby
March 31, 2012
Very well put, Jack! Your comment about the Elvira dialogue was spot-on!
Jack
March 31, 2012
Thanks Toby! As I stated, I was expecting the usual Tim Burton/Depp/Carter production as a basis of this movie, but even I was “shocked” by what I actually saw in the first trailer! How could they??? As a fan of Dark Shadows, the only comfort I took during filming was that Burton, Depp, etc., kept stating how they were such “big fans of the show.” We now know this is NOT true. They have succeeded in making a mockery of (for a lot of us) a truly marvelous memory from childhood and beyond. How well do I remember being astonished by the 1991 revival series! At that time in my life I’d forgotten Dark Shadows. But seeing those stories, characters, names, and hearing Bob Cobert’s wonderful Wagnerian influenced music, the 1991 revival ended up serving as my “Madeleines.” After the series went off I experienced a tidal wave of nostalgia from my childhood years just as Proust did. This moment defined and completed me as an adult. The show had always been special to me and after the Revival it always will be.
My only hope is that there is some Director or Producer or Actor in Hollywood who shares the same feelings of nostalgia and specialness that we all share about DS and maybe these persons will soon make the movie we all want to see.
Patrick Lynch
April 1, 2012
That person would have to buy the rights from Johnny Depp who bought them from the Dan Curtis estate. The director of either The Woman In Black or the director of Pan’s Labyrinth or the director of The Others would have made a good Dark Shadows movie in my opinion.
Toby
April 1, 2012
Amen, Jack…amen!!!
I really hate it when Hollywood second-guesses audiences and dumbs things down like this. Horror films made in the last two decades PROVE that a serious DS film could have been made that would have been faithful to the original in tone.
I’ve listed some of those here…and I’m sure there have been a few more than even the ones I listed.
I just do not buy the excuses about how it was a soap opera and people are tired of vampires…blah blah blah…
Just as House of Dark Shadows and Night were not dependent on the soap opera aspects of DS — neither would this one have been!
Just silly excuses made to justify a decision to make a mockery of what could have been the definitive version of DS for the big screen…
And why does every film have to be a multi-million dollar blockbuster? Why not make a film as a labor of love and let the ticketbuyers decide if it’s a hit or not?
I’m sick of the money driving the creative decisions.
Under the logic of these morons in Hollywood now, Star Wars would never have been made!
Marty
March 31, 2012
Was born in 1957, too–same original fan as you.
Awhile back on the other forum here (apparently closed?) I’ve made my feelings known on this film; was willing to possibly reassess when one of the updated TV trailers was released showing more of the “horror” elements, but as time passes and more of those “updated” trailers become released it is SO EVIDENT that this is going to be a complete Farce! Depp is truly “revolting” as you say here–just a stupid-ass clown-faced jerk–what a shame and a horrid slap in the face to Frid’s immortal portrayal. Might by chance pick-up this loser in a bargain-bin someday, but that’s about it. Off to looking forward to hopefully better stuff coming out this summer.
Marty
March 31, 2012
BTW, forgot to mention this–but the comments on these new trailers on that “other” blog are getting to be pretty hilarious–to paraphrase from Moretz’s line in this trash-heap, ‘Are they stoned or something?” LOL!!!!
Toby
March 31, 2012
It’ll be in the bargain bin within a year of release…LOL!!
WalMart! Alongside all the unwanted Land of The Lost and Speed Racer DVDs! LOL!!!
Jack
March 31, 2012
Marty, That ‘other Blog” is ridiculous! I’ve tried posting there for months in response to the trickle of info coming out as the Burton film was being shot. Not once did a post of mine ever get approved. To answer you and Moretz, no! But they need to be!
DCWhatthe
April 4, 2012
If you google
Dark Shadows blog
, we’re at the top now.
Justice is served!
Toby
April 6, 2012
At the top…where we SHOULD be!
Rob
March 31, 2012
Those “positive” positive posts on that other site have now reached a level of transparent absurdity. Does ANYONE believe that they are real? EIther they are from studio plants or the webmaster himself. It’s verging on the pathological at this point…